By SHARON K. GILBERT
September 10, 2008
HERE’S A STORY we might not hear on the nightly news — assuming it’s true. According to PressTV and Alalam (both Iranian news sources), 21 US Airborne Division soldiers attempted mass suicide after dinner one evening in Iraq. The details are murky at best — no specific unit information is given, nor are we told the city where this took place. PressTV claims to have gleaned its scant information from a Fars News Agency story, but a quick search at FNA’s website has turned up no related articles. Mind you, I searched the English language version of FNA, so it’s possible the Farsi version would have found the article.
While it’s disturbing enough to read that 21 US soldiers may have tried to commit mass suicide (5 are said to have survived, leaving 16 dead), the description of their condition is even more disturbing:
Security officials said they used potent narcotics to kill themselves. /SNIP/ The suicides took place in the soldiers’ dormitory after the dinner time.
“The bodies of the US troops became misshapen such a way that they looked like 5000-year mummies,” said a witness. [Emphasis SKG]
What? If this had come out on April 1st, it would make more sense. How can a narcotic induce a ‘5000 year old mummy’ appearance? Maybe it’s just me, but something about this story ‘feels’ very wrong. If it’s false, then what do the Iranian sources hope to gain by floating a story that barely makes a blip in the west? If it’s true, then what really happened to those men, and why hasn’t the MSM reported it?
Sorcha Faal is spinning this as the result of the soldiers’ attempt to open a stargate in Babylon. While I take Faal’s opinions with more than a few grains of salt, I can’t get past that ‘mummy’ reference in the original article.
Derek and I chose to call what we do ‘Peering into Darkness’ because the enemy works in dark places. Iraq has long been the scene for many dark works, harking back to the earliest days of spiritual warfare. Because of this, our loved ones are fighting more than just physical enemies in Iraq — therefore we must hold those young men and women up in our prayers daily, asking not just for their physical protection but also for their spiritual protection.
Worse yet, if human powerbrokers are colluding with ancient entities to open portals, then we must entreat the Lord God Almighty to stand against such wickedness. It’s clear from God’s word that a gateway of some kind will be opened (the Abyss), but that it will be opened in God’s timing. Perhaps the enemy seeks to preempt God’s timetable.
Did 16 US soldiers die in a battle they knew little about and a ‘suicide’ story issued to cover up a darker truth? I hope this story is a fake. But if it’s true, then we must discern the implications.
The spiritual war that began in Eden when God declared ‘enmity’ between the seed of the Serpent (Nephilim and ultimately the Beast — AntiChrist) and the seed of Eve (Jesus Christ) is racing toward Armageddon. Our world’s timeline is winding down, dear friends. We have reached the End of the Age. Jesus Christ stands ready to return, and the spirits of Darkness know they have but a tiny window of opportunity to prepare and plunder.
Is your heart ready? Do you know Christ as Savior? Seek Him today, because tomorrow it could be too late.
Keep us updated on this story. I believe as you do that there are ancient Principalities at work there. I have read many soldiers are committing suicide upon their return to the states due to the oppression they felt there.
i think that we are into a very deep spirtual if not almost magical warfare and if we could just see past the veil we would be astounded at what we are up against and would really know that we need the name and blood of Jesus the Messiah to do battle for us we need to pray contantly
Fascinating Website…!
I too had read the Sorcha Faal article and being familiar with Faal’s writings in the past, I also take those writings with a “grain of salt.” However, Sharon is right on the money with bringing to our attention the larger and more sinister aspects of the “other battle” we and our military are engaged in. I have two young sons deployed to that area comprising ancient Babylon. I cannot begin to tell you how for months now God has impressed upon my own heart to pray His protection over our military men and women not only physically but also spiritually as well. Sharon’s observations on that other “terrorist”, Satan himself, correlates with what has been going on within my own spirit; that being the need to do battle in the heavenlies for our young men and women who wear the uniform of the United States. And I am not talking about cheap, on the run, canned prayers but heart felt, sincere prayer for our soldiers, Marines, sailors and airmen. Remember my own sons and the thousands of those other sons and daughters of America when you kneel to pray. God bless you Sharon and you too, Derek, for your obedience to God and the courage to “fight the good fight.”
Ms. Gilbert – if you truly profess to be a journalist, do your homework before posting something like this. Find someone who speaks Farsi (there are plenty in the Christian church) and have them find the original article. Contact the author and find out what their sources are. Due diligence is your responsibility as a journalist. Otherwise, what you have posted is hearsay/rumor at best, and it make one question your motives. Sensationalist pieces like this sell well.
Regarding the earlier “due diligence” comment, I found your opinion of the report and its status in your article to be quite clear. Albeit, finding someone who speaks Farsi and taking a closer look at the report appears to be warranted, but that is not an argument against posting a questionable report and labeling it as such. Rather, this story would seem to me to be part of a responsible process of vetting the report. No one qualified to look into the report will ever investigate it if he or she never encounters it in the first place.
I spent 2.5 yrs in Iraq as a security contractor. I also read the Press article. Its bogus. I will tell you why. It happened on an american base.The quoted source was an Iraqi Army person. When they are on a US base they are not allowed to go ANYWHERE without an escort. And usually are off the base after dark. If its a joint base,they have their own side and would definately not be wondering around after chow anywhere close to an Army billiting area. Sombody would get shot. What happened is that sombody must have read about the current controversy about Army sucide rates and decided to try to exploit it with an ignorant public. truth is that Muslims are conspiratorial by nature and they think we think our goverment hides the truth from the public. While there is no doubt there are some people in the US who are ignorant new age hippies and crypto communists who like to spread this tpye of story, it is only becasue they really believe the US Govt is evil encarnate. They are fellow travelers in the Islamocommunist movement or plain ignorant. If we had not gotten rid of the Draft in 1973, more living Americns would have knowledge of how the US Armed Forces work, insted of believing this type of story.
By the way,I read Sorcha Faal is a new age con artist. I type of mystical/ send me your money Benny Hin type guru. Looks like a really ugly woman or a longer haired man. Recently he/she/it decided to take a page out of Father Divines play book and encouraged folks to send money to become part of some latter day survival commune, complete with the legal paper work so you can feel good about bying a piece of the old survival commune. I am telling you all to stop believeing this nonsense.Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ. Trust him and lean not to your own understanding. Get prayed up and wuit getting jerked around. Sure there is evil and sinister forces lurking around. How many people do you witness to in your comunity here at home. Thats where the real threat is, if we cant win the home front, how are we going to win elsewhere? Is there secret work around Hillah? I dont think so. I know civilians who were stationed there before it got turned over to the Poles. I asked a lot of questions about Babil and was told nothing was happening. Considering how small the base was, it would have been hard for our guys to have gone in and opened a “Stargate” or some acient esoteric crypt or have been cavorting around with something as wild as the speculation you read about on some web sites. Witness to the people you know and win them to Christ. Spend your money on SOUND missionaries and speculate about this kind of thing around the Campfire on a dark night in the woods, if you need to.
Many Christians do and are witnessing to their fellow Americans, funding and supporting mission work and with the intelligence and inclination to investigate on their own but who also do not need gatekeepers to cherry pick information for them. I appreciate Sharon posting this article and I believe right off she qualified any endorsement of Faal’s speculations by stating so. And I will reiterate my request for prayer for not only my own sons but all of our military personnel who are deployed to these pagan nations. Spiritual warfare is real. Rationalizing it away as one poster seems to imply does not alter the battlefield at all. Familiarize yourselves with the New Testament; all of it. Those “writers” did not lie. Our troops need all of us to battle in the heavenlies on their behalf; as they battle for us on terra firma.
P.S.: Sharon, you and Derek keep posting what you feel the Lord would have you too. Your and Derek’s websites, along with Tom Horn’s “Raiders News Network” and David J. Meyer’s “Last Trumpet Ministries” are among the very few “Christian internet sites that have not gone over to the “dark side” or committed “Laodicea’side.”
YES Sharon and Derek keep up the good work!!
By the way..the ‘pagans’ aren’t all keffeeya tunic wearing arabs in Iraq! There are just as many ‘pagans’ in white anglo suit and ties in their fancy limos, and Bilderberger meetings, and Bohemian Grove gatherings here in the good ole USA! That’s right…and they have their own interests…not that of Christian or Jewish Believers in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. They want war..and they want to destroy Israel! They fund Israel’s enemies. It’s possible also that our soldiers, have also seen the real crooked side of our black ops gov. that the reason for their being in Iraq wasn’t to spread democracy…but to play a part in building up end time Babylon of Revelations.
Oh I forgot to add..and that is the reason many of our soldiers are attempting suicide..because of seeing the real agenda of being in Iraq..doing the bidding of the occultic luciferians in our shadow gov.
Consider your source. “IRAN” Ha! Sounds like propoganda
Iraq is the site where Satan tempted Adam and Eve….the ancient Babylonian Empire resided there as well. And this even might sound odd, but in the beginning of the movie The Exorcist, it was in Iraq that an archaeological discovery was made to highlight the existence of Satan. Why did God tell the Israelites to head towards Jerusalem…the Promised Land? Perhaps because Jerusalem is directly the center of the world…geographically…even spherically speaking. Iraq and Iran used to be called Persia. The Persian Empire was great in their day. Perhaps we will see the rise of all the past empires in one form or another in the Last Days…doesn’t seem like the Roman or Greek empires have really died….and all these empires had things in common…namely the abhorrence of anything Jewish. This is why I believe why….the Jews are God’s chosen people…Jesus is God’s beloved Son….who came to save the Jews first….they rejected Him….perhaps in the Last Days the Jews will be hated by the world all at once….left to their own devices. If America is unable to defend Israel…who in the world will? the EU? Russia? the UN? Try again. It is then that God will come to their aid…for He has promised such…..and God never breaks His promises. Things are happening as Jesus said they would….no person who has ever lived has been more a “Man of His Word” than Jesus.
Padraig, I absolutely agree with you. You hit some very salient points. Isn’t it remarkable the two most hated peoples in the world are Jews and Christians; people of the Old Testament and people of the New. Whatever goes wrong in the world, it seems the Jews are responsible; from the radicalism of Islam to hair loss and “my car won’t start.” When my son was on his first deployment to Iraq, he was stationed near the Euphrates river. I often thought of that verse which speaks of those angels that are chained at the Euphrates and had many conversations about that aspect of prophecy. Not to steal any of Tom Horn’s thunder; but Iraq does seem to be the “gateway” to a vortex of spiritual forces the majority of the world is not even aware of.
Completely bogus.
Steve, if you expect to be taken seriously, you should start capitalizing and spell check, you post in incredulous.
First of all, moron bush, like his hero, hitler are stealing artifacts over there and have been for years, the gate is not a secret privy to Sorch Faal, and while your assertion that Iraqis etc are not allowed to roam freely without escort is irrelevant, this is a top secret operation that Joe grunt is not privy to, one such operation being in Uraq if memory serves.
But the articles assertion that the soldiers are fighting physical ans spiritual battles is asinine and laughable, our soldiers are creating the problems engaging in operations digging up things that have for centuries been buried, murdering people who are defending their country and using terrible directed energy weapons against them.
The US government tests bioweapon on our troops all the time. The US government commits false flag attacks to blame it on whoever they want to. Last month, it came out that Dick Cheney wanted our marines to dress as Iranians and build imitating “Iranian ships”. They would provoke attack on US warships. Then they can blame it on Iran and start an all out war, i.e. WWIII
If psuedo-Christian doomseekers who want to blow up the world for Jesus weren’t so dangerous, they’d be funny.
Bet you lot haven’t the slightest idea that the ‘Apocolypse of St John’ supposedly written on the Greek island of Patmos in the 2nd century AD is just a shortened plagiarism of the Vedic/Hindu myth ‘Markandeya Purana’ with character name changes.
So what if it is a rip-off from another superstition you ask?
Well the difference is Hindu yogis and pundits recognise the puranas as myths with allegorical/metaphoric messages, but modern day doomsday cults accept these appropriated myths as Christian doctrine.
Markandeya Purana is a story about a 5000 year long war in heaven by the Suryas (good gods/deities) against Raktabija (head demon) and rakshasas (demons).
So now we’ve got all these doomsday cults preaching war and anti-Christian dogmas in the name of Jesus actively trying to self fulfill a morbid fantasy falsely portayed as prophecy in order to bring about Jesus’ 2nd coming. Which itself is rip-off of Vedic/Hindu eschatology (Krishna promised to return to Earth in times of strife and confusion) but with the time frame cut short by 426,890 years.
[Hindu eschatology puts the end of the current world at the end of Kali Yuga, begining 5,110 years ago in 3,102 BC and lasting 432,000 years].
Personally I’d like to give doomseekers their “Rapture” because I think the sooner Christians get off my planet, the better off life forms on it will be. But won’t be surprised if well intentioned govts seeking to moderate such sentiment and declare religious faith a treatable illness.
ajada haituka = goat eating heretic in sanskrit.
Heretic, it isn’t the Christians who want to blow up and otherwise destroy our world, it is and has always been the maggot occultists who follow the likes of the order of skull and bones and all the rest of the satanic muts.
sonderlagen lighten up and you could try spell check also…But the articles assertion that the soldiers are fighting physical ans spiritual
Why should I lighten up when believers in the Most High are steadily been mercilessly and without provocation or justification being attacked?
Strange that satanists are never attacked, so it is appropriate that it is the godless heathen communists of America that are puking out all the anti-Christian and anti-Jew propaganda.
This country isn’t going to get right until all communists and their sympothisers are expurgated from our formerly free republic.
P.S. I did spell check, that was a bureaucratic snafu, as the former rapist pres. clinton proffered.
And I use lower case letters on their names as a matter of disrespect, quid pro quo for their disrespecting us and our beloved constitution.
corrrecct spelling is not a prerequisit for taruth or opinion. it is our ability to peer threeew thr darkness / veil. my frend if spelling/ punchuatttion/typing errors ect ect ect cause an inabilility for you to understand the meat of the posting. may i sugest looking at the keys next to the keys of the mispelled words u dont understand…you can usually figure out what was supposed to be laid out for u.. oops im doing the same thing to you im sorry dizreguard
Please I was talking about your attack on Steve.
Wow. Check out the discussion that has ensued from this article!!
Keep up the good work Sharon and Derek – keep us informed on whatever you come across, even rumors. Rumors can cause us to become more aware, more alert, and more active in our faith. At the very least, rumors can cause us to pray more: Almighty God, watch over our patriots involved in wars around the globe. If they are inadvertantly involved in spiritual warfare, guard their hearts and minds from evil influence. Guard their physical bodies from harm and bring them home safe to their loved ones as soon as possible. I ask this in the name of Jesus.
Why is it OK in your estimation for Steve to attack others without being rebutted?
I was in the Army and the Navy myself, that doesn’t mean I am privy to everything they are doing, actually, I know more about there degenerate activities than I did when I was active, that does not define me as an islamocommie.
Actually, it IS the communists of America, who vomit out soviet lies, such as separation of church and state tat ARE causing our country so much disparity.
And in point of fact, it is not the Iranians or Iraqis that are conspiracy nuts, it is this government which in fact IS evil incarnate that are the conspiracy nuts…that is the essence of the illuminists, the skull and bones, those that attend the bohemian grove and revel over the death of care and the burning of a human child effigy.
Only evil incarnate could do what this government is doing, only evil could tell teachers that they cannot say mommy or daddy in school, only evil could strip children from their parents without due process and subject them to a homophile environment.
Only evil incarnate could allow such a degenerate organization such as dynecorp of Austin to kidnap women and children and sell them as sex slaves, only evil could allow such a thing to go on and prevent the media and law enforcement from engaging them, only evil could force inoculate and dump poisons in our air, water and food and collude with chemical companies to genetically modified our food and destroy the seeds natural ability to procreate.
Only evil could shot up young girls with a virus claiming it is a cure for cervical cancer that is GIVING them cancer and even killing them and destroying their ability to procreate.
These people are death occultists, they revel in death, this is the impetus behind AL bush’s laws and dictates including his fathers noahide act, 6166, 5122, the military commissions act and the destruction of our bill of rights via the [patriot acts which have eviscerated posse commitatus and habeous corpus etc.
Only an evil government could foster a law enforcement, based on the soviet model that propagates the tasering and stripping of innocents, such as Holly from Canton Ohio, many of which cause their death then make silly contentions that the cause of death is psychotic trauma or whatever the theory of the day is. I could go on infinitely, this is not a good government, it has no good intentions, the secret COG plan illustrates that.
This argument has bottomed out to ‘religion’.
If the report is true (and needs to be verified), we have 16 U.S. Soldiers dead.
If true, I would like to know why.
And then…how.
Then we can argue.
Until then, let’s find out if 16 Americans are dead first.
Then argue how and why.
It is ALL about religion bud, the religion of satan who inspires evil into the hearts of man and its serpent seedline, and the one and only other religion that will counter it, the way of the Most High, who’s Holy scriptures are proven true daily, most specifically, in the words and actions of the various governments and the roman whore church which is bringing revelations and the (gate) of hell to fruition.
Hi:
Nice to see so much discussion here. Derek and Sharon’s articles are great and the radio files (PID Radio) have some of the best interviews anywhere and are just about as far from “doom and gloom” as anyone could possibly be, but it doesn’t mean they don’t see the valleys of history and the future with predictive prophecy.
To a few points specific to “Heretic’s” remarks:
Biblical Christian doctrine does indeed hold that the first century vision of the Revelation Jesus Christ by John on Patmos is predictive in both pattern and detail, i.e., it does communicate precise and specific details as they will occur during the last few years of this current age, what is in Christian eschatology, the Tribulation.
A distinguishing feature of the Judeo-Christian Scripture, and one used quite often as apologetic response to comments such as yours, is that “pattern is prologue,” that there are types and shadows which, while historical in record, are also an archetype of a far, far greater program, a description of an event that began with an angelic rebellion in epochs past, was fought before classical history records and continues to be waged to this day.
The Vedic, Sumerian, mesoAmerican and other ancient accounts are not, in my opinion, myth. I believe they are the records of actual events, fought among ancient “Very High Civilizations,” and documented in text, sculpture and volumes of paleographic records. That there is such similarity in prophetic text would be further evidence of the consistent Biblical pattern.
There is excellent information on this and it is wonderful that you are not limiting yourself to traditional and mainstream information on this subject.
And “Scarecrow,” sorry to hear you feel the brief exchanges had “bottomed out to ‘religion.’ ” While there would most likely be no ‘argument’ that there is indeed both good and evil clearly evidenced in history, if taken from a philosophical position, it would seem to be an impossible task to explain this clash without including the acknowledgment of an implicit spiritual conflict. It is through this lens that many Christians view events and, as with everything, impossible to reconcile without the parameters of an altogether Holy and Unchanging God.
Yes, it IS all about ‘religion,’ isnt’ it?
sonderlagen – If your English comprehension skills were adequate you’d have noticed I didn’t blame Christians. I layed the blame squarely at the feet of ‘psuedo-Christian doomseekers’.
Y’know evangelical/pentacostal loonies who preach war and anti-Christian dogmas in the name of their chosen demigod – Jesus.
Going by your psychotic ramblings about satanists and heathen communists it appears you are offended by my condemnations because you identify with the very doomseeker nut jobs who are actively trying to self fulfil the plagiarised morbid fantasy I mentioned previously.
Yes your govt is “evil” but it’s precisely people like you who unwittingly sanction their actions by failing to deal with the physical realities while looking for imaginary boogeymen.
Actually I couldn’t blame Christians, because they don’t exist. The Roman church exterminated them roughly 1600 years ago when they hijacked and appropriated Christianity. You believe in a farcical superstition mate.
Wrong heretic, I believed in the scriptures long before I was witness to their many proofs, such as, the impiracle evidence laying at the bottom of the Red Seam, that being the remains of the maggot pharaoh’s army chariots and horse remains, laid out just as the scriptures indicates, as well as the various artifacts discovered and brought to light by researchers< Jim and Penny Caldwell amoungst otyhers who brought out evidence at the threat of jail and death, they have henceforth been denyied further accesss to the region of the Red Sea and real Sinai penn by the Egyption and Saudi governments who are to this day destroying and covering up the remnants of the Exodus events, such as the area of the golden calf and the barial sight of the rebelliousnitwits who disobeyed the Almighty and were slain.
As the legal maxim goes, not verbatim, when one side of a case is found to be concealing the truth from the other, there inlies guilt! They are hiding the truth because if the information is accepted, then those governments would have to relinquish ownership of that territory BACK to the Israelites who’s ownership, title and deed are in the thamudic scribings of the children of Isreal who scribed theirr identities on the rocks of that region as instructed by the Almighty YahVeh!
These evidences can be found via: splitrockresearch.com
theexodusconspiracy.com
theexoduscase.com
The latter of which is the site owned Dr. Lennart Moller who first dived down and took pictiures of the chariots, His book is ( The exodus case) I have it and I hve met the divers who have made a film about their research there which is to be shown to the public soon, we were given a preview.
You blame people like me for doomsday when the various governments are actually carrying it out? that is flawed logic and betrays your loyalties and motive as potentially a disformation agent…or perhas, you are just another in a deep cespool of uninformed unwashed irelevants who are blinded and see to prevent anyone from pursuing veritas..Mene Te’kel…mate.
P.S. I know the words rebelliousnitwits are stuck together, but the spell check ceased working, so when I try to correct words, proceeding letters are deleted.
Heretic, since you are defending satanic and communist activities, it is reasonable to extrapolate you are loyal to them, they are the ones causing our worldly dilemmas, it is only the Christians fault that they did NOT Head the scriptures mandate to expurgate all evil from the planet as they were/are instructed to in Genesis, that is, to subdue and have dominion, since they did not then, we will have to undertake the effort now, once and for all, lest there never be peace, we will not, ever accept one world religion as proffered by the roman whore church, they have betrayed their loyalties by declaring these aliens to be their space brothers and dictating that we cannot use the Holy name of the Most High…YahVeh!
Christians initiated noting, the heathens you are defending did.
Facinous quos inquinot aiquot….villainy and guilt contaminate all those equal in character.
It is good to see such discussion at one of the best sites on the Net. Derek and Sharon’s articles and radio files (PID Radio) have some of the best information, thoughts and interviews anywhere and are just about as far from “doom and gloom” as anyone could possibly be, but it doesn’t mean they don’t see the valleys of history and the future with predictive prophecy. That just happens to be where they “peer,” with the intent of shining light and exposure, Eph. 5:11.
To a few of points, specifically “Heretic:”
Biblical Christian doctrine does indeed hold that the first century vision of the Revelation Jesus Christ by John on Patmos is predictive in both pattern and detail, i.e., it does communicate precise and specific details as they will occur during the last few years of this current age, what is in Christian eschatology, the Tribulation.
A distinguishing feature of the Judeo-Christian Scripture, and one used quite often as apologetic response to comments such as yours, is that “pattern is prologue,” that there are types and shadows which, while historical in record, are also an archetype of a far, far greater program, a description of an event that began with an angelic rebellion in epochs past, was fought before classical history records and continues to be waged to this day.
The Vedic, Sumerian, Akkadian, mesoAmerican and other ancient accounts are neither, in my opinion, myth nor superstition. I believe they are the records of actual events, fought among ancient “Very High Civilizations,” as documented in text, sculpture and volumes of paleographic evidence. Because of the similarity in record, it is difficult to dismiss and decidedly merits examination. The prophetic text contained within the Judeo-Christian Scripture is actually confirmatory of the consistent Biblical pattern.
There is excellent information on this and it is wonderful that you are not limiting yourself to traditional and mainstream information on this subject. I would be delighted to provide some links for those that are truly teachable. Please note the similarity of these photographs, but the parallels go far beyond the visual:
http://peeringintodarkness.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/annunaki-300×212.jpg
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/512AJWS0ZTL._SL500_AA240_.jpg
It is understandable that many would rather see the “Christians” go, via the harpazo or in other manner. My guess is that five minutes later, most will have regretted not listening earlier.
Maurice Rawlings, a cardiologist from TN has an excellent book, “To Hell and Back.” Quite sobering but well worth consideration.
And “Scarecrow,” sorry to hear you feel the brief exchanges had “bottomed out to ‘religion.’ ” While there would most likely be no ‘argument’ that there is indeed both good and evil clearly evidenced in history, if taken from a philosophical position, it would seem to be an impossible task to explain this clash without including the acknowledgment of an implicit spiritual conflict. It is through this lens that many Christians view events and, as with everything, impossible to reconcile without the parameter of an altogether Holy and Unchanging God.
Yes, it IS all about religion, not quite certain what comprises “pseudo-Christianity,’ but I agree: many, many truly believe they are Christians and are rigidly narrow. If one is TRULY seeking, i.e., willing to put everything formerly learned aside, TRULY invite Divine counsel, and ponder the evidence and truth. It is fascinating to see the endless confirmations of Scripture with the surge of contemporary science and discovery and contemporary Christians are among of the most forward thinking people on the planet.
“Truth comes from the Word of God. Error comes from the pulpit.” D. J. Barnhouse, from, “The Invisible War: The Panorama of the Continuing Conflict Between Good & Evil”
Not certain of the source of this, “Your failure to be informed does not make me a whacko,” but it is enormously appropriate – for those who are truly current with history, culture, world affairs and science.
RE: spelling: “pesudo” is actually ‘pseudo;’ “Apocolypse, “Apocalypse,” and “portayed,” ‘portrayed.’
It is amazing that Sharon did not jump in on that one, but given the ‘state of the world,’ spelling truly is the least of our problems.
http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/~mattd/Cmabrigde/
Excellent post SMB, very well said and completely accurate, I see unwarranted and unjustified hatred of “Christians” all over the not, particularly at Alex Jones site, they never articulate why they hate the Most High, they always propagate the lie that believers commit all the murders, atrocities and wars throughout history when it is glaringly obvious and provable that in fact, it is the seculars and the occultists who commit genocides etc., eg., the roman church, which is NOT Christian, and neither am I, murdered millions of Christians, pope innocent murdered many Christians, antiochus the irrelevant murdered millions of Jews and subjected them to homosexual Greek wrestlers and made violate the sabbath, hitler was a thule society member, that is an occultist as are the bush’s, being members of the occultic skull and bones, etc., etc., ad nauseum.
sonderlagen – Your half witted psychotic rants and the fact you believe in Satanism is proof positive that the Evangelical/Pentacostal tongues babbling psuedo-Christianity you’ve nailed your colours to, is without question the most dangerous version doomsday cultism to pollute my planet.
I find the fact you equate my condemnations of your superstition – doomseeking psuedo-Christianity – as defending satanic and/or communist activities absolutely hilarious. Even funnier than asking for a pork kebab in a Muslim run kebab shop.
The fact you actually take religious scriptures seriously indicates you’d believe in ‘Cat in a hat’ if Dr Seuss was a successful televangist snake oil salesman.
Your bible’s value is less than that of Aesop’s fables.
Y’know why I enjoy ridiculing religious nutters? – Because they take their superstitions so seriously.
I used to let mormons into my house just so I could ask them questions I know they cannot answer. For example, I’d ask “Do you worship a god?” To which they’d answer “Yes/of course … we worship the one true god” Then I’d reply “Well y’know I reckon, if there was a god, he, she, or it wouldn’t be so vain and conceited as to desire being worshiped in the first place. That’s something I’d expect from an egocentric malevolent entity, y’know like Satan”. I must have become lazy since then, because these days when Jahovah’s witnesses coming knocking, I just flash a 6″X4″ blue and orange Fat Buddha tattooed around my navel at them. And on my caravan out at my bush hideaway I’ve placed a sticker declaring “Born again PAGAN”.
Bet you didn’t know the Talmud says the Pharisees had Jesus executed because he told them they were worshiping Satan.
smb – Everything I’ve written to sonderlagen also applies to you.
Want to know why I study religious texts? – Well for 2 reasons. #1 is I’m an amatuer history buff, and #2 to understand your enemy, you must study their beliefs. And seeing as religion is the most dangerous phenomena currently trashing my planet, should I ever fulfil your morbid fantasies by becoming the anti-Christ, I hope to relegate religion to the bookshelf between philosophy and mythology.
@Heretic:
“…I study religious texts”
I think that’s great! I encourage you to keep studying the Bible.
Can’t hurt to “understand your enemy” as much as possible.
Interesting times we live in wouldn’t you say? Do you notice the strange similarity between the two photos referenced by Sue Bradley in her comment? Might this be the same ‘SMB” who wrote the article, “Evidence of Ancient Star Wars” at Raiders News? By the way, it was an excellent piece.
I have a loose copy and paste to use if you don’t mind. I really think that it is important that people see this: I’m reading about the “current” star wars now and it’s getting awfully close. I’d like to bring up Joseph’s “comments” and continue with your thought that it is maybe not in our control any longer, or as you say, “It never was.”
Indeed, things never were in our control…we just thought it was. Now, things are ramping up and, well, God help us! Above excerpt from a conversation I had with a colleague earlier.
Well, it is VERY interesting when you piece a few things together.
1. The Tower of Babel was not only in Iraq, but has appeared to be found there.
http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/196701/the.tower.of.babel.htm
2. President Bush 1 and 2’s obsession with Iraq.
Both President Bush Sr and Jr are members of the Illuminati and the goal of course is world govt. After Babel, God seperated mankind into nations so that THIS would not occur.
Gen 11:6 And the LORD said, Behold, the people [is] one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do.
If God said that man of one purpose and accord could do ANYTHING they imagined, then the illuminati may be trying to open the portal using the found Tower to release Satan and the fallen angels from the pit… end times prophecy.
3. HG Wells.
1933 — The Shape of Things to Come by H.G. Wells is published. Wells predicts a second world war around 1940, originating from a German-Polish dispute. After 1945 there would be an increasing lack of public safety in “criminally infected” areas. The plan for the “Modern World-State” would succeed on its third attempt (about 1980), and come out of something that occurred in Basra, Iraq. The book also states,
“Although world government had been plainly coming for some years, although it had been endlessly feared and murmured against, it found no opposition prepared anywhere.”
John – Thanks mate, but I’m unsure of why you think it’s so great. To me, religious texts only true value is the allegorical/metaphoric/philosophical meanings behind the myths.
smb – Your rant is a tad long, so I’ll only address a limited number of points.
RE: Biblical Christian doctrine does indeed hold that the first century vision of the Revelation Jesus Christ by John on Patmos is predictive in both pattern and detail, i.e., it does communicate precise and specific details as they will occur during the last few years of this current age, what is in Christian eschatology, the Tribulation.
– For starters Apocolypse of St John was plagiarised in the 2nd century AD.
There was no such person as ‘Jesus Christ’. Jesus is the latin interpretation of the name Joseph, and Christ is a title.
So saying “Jesus Christ” is like saying “George President” or “Usama bin Terrorist”. Revelations is only predictive in the feeble minds of doomseekers who are deliberately trying to invoke Armageddon, and then blame the mess/carnage they create on an imaginary boogeyman – Satan. FYI Satan is a hebrew word with the literal meaning of ‘enemy of man’. So could have been anything from extraterrestrial invaders to a pathogenic virus or anything beyond the hebrews’ comprehension of the day.
It is quite possible the Christ/saviour title was a misinterpretation of Krishna, who promised the return via reincarnation as Kalki, the 10th and last incarnation of Vishnu. Who’s description sounds remarkably like a combination of the doomseekers’ 1st and 4th horsemen of the Apocolypse. There’s quite a bit of circumstantial evidence that Judeaism evolved from Hinduism. Remember Moses having a tantrum because his followers made a golden calf? Well if you understand the Precession of the Equinoxes and that consciousnes/religion/superstion/deification changes every 2165 years, you’ll recognise that event was at a time when deification of cattle virtually world wide (Age of Taurus) was coming to a close. The hebrews soon after used short square pillars of stone (a Shivalinga) to represent their deity -Yaweh – in their temples just live Shaivan Hindus still do today. In the age of Aries, the ram commonly used to represent deified characters. In the age of Pisces the predominant belief system is represented by a fish – Christianity. Get the idea? The word Messiah is a Jewish surname. Maybe that was Joseph’s/Jesus’ family name.
I agree than religious myths/stories may be based on real prehistoric events, but attributing angelic and demonic status to the characters is ridiculously primitive. All such characters, if actually having existed at some time would have been humans from which legendary feats ultimately morphed to give them godhood status.
Pseudo-Christianity is the psychotic paradigm passing itself off as Christianity in which the vast majority of so called Christians preach and practice the exact opposite of Jesus actually taught in the name of Jesus. Thus Evangelical/Pentacostal Christians fit the closest deffinition for Satanist. Or as you bible puts it “hypocrits”.
Anybody claiming god speaks to them is either a liar or schizophrenic.
Having actually literally seen ‘the light’ on 2 seperate occasions (low intensity glow everywhere, with colours being sharper and imbues a euphoric feeling of niceness and untouchabilty) I can assure you your god does not speak or make words and the concept of being ‘holy’ is false. The concept is a farce.
sonderlagen – Remember this? > Heretic, it isn’t the Christians who want to blow up and otherwise destroy our world
For Palin, It’s a (Christian) Man’s World
[extract] – A cult of masculinity defines the Wasilla Assembly of God Church and the Juneau Christian Centre where she worshipped. This cult propagates a vision of the world where believers are warriors. They are taught to ready themselves to engage in a final cataclysmic clash with the forces of Satan. This cosmic struggle, infused with the language of war, death and violence, leads inevitably to the slaughter by the righteous of all non-Christians. The photos of Palin hunched over dead animals she has shot are not simply images of a woman who is a member of the National Rifle Association. They are images of a woman who believes violence against nonbelievers is ultimately part of her religious life. – [end extract]
[extract] – Palin enjoys the enthusiastic backing of the Christian right because she is blindly obedient to the male hierarchy. She does not question. She submits and obeys. Her views on abortion and marriage, on the Middle East, on gays and the war against Islam are precooked. They are handed to her by men who claim to speak for God. And in power she would be the perfect conduit for an ideology that seeks, in the end, to eradicate individual moral choice and replace it with subservience to a terrifying Christian fascism. – [end extract].
I make no claims to being a prophet, but my predictions based on seeing history repeating itself regularly come true.
So I’ll go as far as to predict that if McCain/Palin take the White House, they’ll initiate WW3.
[[ “Kev // Sep 13, 2008 at 4:31 pm
Wow. Check out the discussion that has ensued from this article!!
Keep up the good work Sharon and Derek – keep us informed on whatever you come across, even rumors. Rumors can cause us to become more aware, more alert, and more active in our faith. At the very least, rumors can cause us to pray more: Almighty God, watch over our patriots involved in wars around the globe. If they are inadvertantly involved in spiritual warfare, guard their hearts and minds from evil influence. Guard their physical bodies from harm and bring them home safe to their loved ones as soon as possible. I ask this in the name of Jesus.”]]
Thank you, Kev. That was a beautiful prayer for our troops in the Middle East and was essentially all I had asked for on behalf of my sons and all our sons and daughters. Thank you again and God bless.
TO smb:
Thanks to you as well, smb for your comments. You have obviously brought something intelligent into this debate and raised it to a level of respect and dignity for each of us posting here. Checking out the link you provided as well.
Yes, Sharon and Derek are indeed to be commended for their dedication and many, many contributions to alternative news and personal insights. They’ve sacrificed much for so many:
THANK YOU!
‘Heretic,’ given your interest and considerable knowledge of history, it is surprising that you would presume to suggest that some of the very best recent scholarship has come to acknowledge ancient records as being the actual
“mything links” in history, i.e., the strong consideration that these ancient gods actually were genetic/biologic products.
The science is far beyond my abilities, but there are many who have taken the time to patiently instruct. As indicated by a reader above, I did an article specifically addressing this, “Evidence of Ancient Star Wars, ‘War Decisive:’ ”
http://www.raidersnewsnetwork.com/full.php?news=14290
Perhaps some of the cited sources at the end would be a worthwhile inquiry.
Rather than dismissing their excellent research as “ridiculously primitive,” perhaps in fairness, you should examine the considerations of these remarkable scholars who present their findings far better than I could ever hope to.
It is great to see people questioning and searching and one thing that we all have in common is that we are ALL still learning!
Ah well, looks like there’s no hope for you lot. You seem to think that invading other’s lands is perfectly acceptable. In which case if your chosen demigod Jesus was to return, you’re all damned.
Wow–amazing–these are the most “comment” notes, in one area, I have ever seen–and, Kev, I want to add an appropriate, and heartfelt, ‘Amen’, to your wonderful prayer on behalf of all of our Soldiers, Air Force and Marines fighting over there, including in Afghanistan. And, Steve, I will definitely remember both of your sons, specifically, in prayer to the Lord–each time I hear of someone else’s son or daughter being sent over there, my heart nearly stops.
As for that story about the G.I.’s who supposedly killed themselves in Iraq, one evening right after dinner[?!]–and, especially concerning the reported condition of their bodies–a story such as that, if true, would be extremely hard to keep hidden–and, if it did include the fact that the soldiers bodies looked like mummies, I’m sure the internet would have a total meltdown, due to all the speculative communication flying between computers around the world–not to mention how excitedly it would be written about in Pravda–and, how–so, IMO, I think we need to remember to trust in the Lord, first, above everything else, then pray for one another–and, especially pray for those who are now so constantly in harm’s way, as so many of our soldiers are right now–and, even more so, especially pray for the salvation of our enemies, whomever we find they may be in this world–after all, as the apostle Paul stated in Ephesians 6:12–our fight is truly not with one another, but with “…the rulers of the darkness of this world…”, who are not currently flesh and blood entities–and, pray, too, that they never become such–at least not until God is ready to allow them to be–right before the physical return of Christ, to face them at Armageddon.[Amen]
And, it’s funny that someone should chose that term ‘lot’, with which to refer to Christians, claiming that there is ‘no hope’ for us–because, there actually was hope for one Lot, who was a relative of Abraham’s–and, the Lord Jesus was/is a relative of Abraham’s, as well as Abraham’s creator, and his Savior–and, we are related to Jesus, through being adopted into God’s family through our faith in Him–ergo–so as with that Lot, it now is with this ‘lot’–and, thanks be to God and Christ, the hope is still available to one and all alive, at this point in time–fantastic, huh?–I’ll say.:)
I heard of a story in the first Gulf War, this unit was in Saudi, they were on holy ground. There were objections of them being there but there were a lot a fornications and other things going on. I was told about this cloud that appeared. I can’t tell the story well and to make a long story short, the person told me it was like a Biblical event. People were screaming and praying, crying like the lord was gonna get them. The military took everyone who had a camera and nothing more came of it.
smb – RE: it is surprising that you would presume to suggest that some of the very best recent scholarship has come to acknowledge ancient records as being the actual
“mything links” in history, i.e., the strong consideration that these ancient gods actually were genetic/biologic products.
– Why is logic surprising? Certainly makes alot more sense to attribute human character traits to humans than etheric entities such as gods and devils.
– What you refer to as “very best recent scholarship”. I regard as ‘snake oil extrapolation from disjointed theories’ to proselytize ridiculously primitive fairtytales.
Christie – RE: “the apostle Paul” … is nothing but a fabrication by the Roman Church, as your bibble indicates.
Where did Paul supposedly 1st meet Jesus? … On the road to Damascus, post crucifixion. Thus paul could not have been one of the original 12 disciples chosen by Jesus to preach his gospel.
As for refering to those here collectively idendifying (mistakenly) as Christians as “you lot” well I’m not surprised psychotics would skew the topic onto yet another superstition text, but I could just as easily have refered to you collectively as “you mob”.
The reason I say there is no hope for you mob, is because I see people here writing prayers to their invisible friend – Jesus – requesting providence for those perpetrating acts he reputedly condemned. I accuse you collectively of being hypocrits who preach war and anti-Christian dogmas in the name of Jesus, and so there is no hope for you.
Y’see when you physically die, there is no omnipotent entity sitting in judgement of your actions, other than that you create for yourself through your beliefs. You actually judge yourself, but if you adhere to a particular belief system, you will imagine your chosen deity judging you.
Admitedly if I hadn’t learnt sanskrit first I wouldn’t have comprehended the eastern spiritual concepts, but once you’ve read and understood the ‘Tibetan Book of the Dead’ (not buddhist, is pre-buddhist Bon Po) you’ll have no need for religion/superstition.
Heretic–you speak of those things with such authority, yet you have no idea if what you believe is the truth, or is your own wishful thinking, and/or the wishful thinking of others, alone–which is apparently the way you view our beliefs in Jesus, as our Lord and Savior, Son of God Almighty, as those it’s nothing more than mere wishful thinking on our parts—however, why you would wish to believe, instead, in the teachings of eastern religions, and, also, be so totally rejecting of the love of God in/through Christ, I have no idea–rejecting Christ as though He was some weaver of ‘tall tales’, when it comes to our eternal lives with Him, as well–
–I will remember you, and those who believe as you do–who do not know Christ as their Lord and Savior, friend, confidant, mentor, and defender–in my prayers–and, since you do not even believe Christ can do anything at all to help anyone, that shouldn’t upset you in the least, right? After all, you will probably see my doing that as nothing more than ‘busy-work’, no?:)